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Enterprise Computing Vendors Duke It Out In App Server Shoot-Out 2005 (Live on SYS-CON.TV)
Although some folks were predicting a 'bloodbath,' the App Server Shoot-Out at Web Services Edge 2005 in Boston did not result in any serious injuries. Instead, Anne Thomas Manes, VP and Research Director at Burton Group, brought together representatives from a wide assortment of application server vendors for a lively panel conversation.
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It always tickles me to hear that J2EE + (WS everything) can be replaced by (WS nothing) and a scripting language. People are obvously not talking about the same applications. Companies such as BEA are trying to build infrastructure that would allow people such as business analysts to do part of the development work, integrating and extending enterprise applications in a mission critical environment of a large corporation including B2B and God knows what. What in heck does that have to do with something like PHP?

Hmmm...people having a field day with my name as usual :)

### Other vendors that were particularly eager to participate (and certainly would have added value to the discussion) include ObjectWeb, the first non-profit organization to achieve J2EE certification for the open source JOnAS application server, and OpenLink, which produces a language-independent application server called Virtuoso. ###

Thank you for those links.

Wasn't Jean-Louis Gassee the one behind Apple suing Microsoft and getting it to settle the antitrust charges for $23 million plus legal fees?

ActiveGrid will be worth watching as it is being financed by such as Hummer Winblad partner Mitchell Ketzman, the erstwhile CEO of Sybase, and Allegis Capital partner Jean-Louis Gassee, Apples one-time product chief and founder of Be Inc.

Marc Fleury (CEO of JBoss) is an awesome guy. Between JBoss, LAMP, Microsoft, Macromedia/Cold Fusion, IBM, and Apache... the only people with realistic goals and that you can trust are JBoss, IBM, and Apache

The LAMP (that's Linux/Apache/MySQL/Perl,Python,PHP for those not in-the-know) guy would have probably been a lot better if he wasn't so blinded by his bias/prejudice. The Microsoft guy just proved that he's good at dodging questions and .NET isn't worth jack.

Great lineup - enjoyed this video-streamed discussion a lot.

If LAMP is starting to grow up, with this open source Grid Application Server based on the LAMP (Linux, Apache, MySQL, PHP/Python/Perl) stack, does that mean it's one day going to be better suited for next generation applications than J2EE?

Talking of JOnAS, their homepage changed and it's nice to see :) It's not about design, colors...

It's just the big JOnAS whale and the logo indicating that JOnAS has been J2EE certified

Stephane TRAUMAT

It was refreshing to hear someone dare to say, on this panel, that application servers aren't only about J2EE any more.


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